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Frequently Asked Questions!

The Ordeal

Once elected, am I member?
No. All those who are elected must first successfully pass an ordeal.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

What is the Ordeal?
The Ordeal is a simple test aimed at ensuring the candidate will take his membership seriously. The tests are all things that a Scout can handle easily. If you have special dietary requirements or have health issues, please discuss them with your Chapter Adviser. As with other tests, the Ordeal can be changed to accomodate those with special requirements.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

Where can I take this Ordeal?
The Ordeal is administrated by the Lodge at one of our three Lodge weekends - Spring Ordeal at D-Bar-A Scout Ranch; Summer Ordeal at Cole Canoe Base or D-bar-A Scout Ranch (see calendar for detail); and Fall Ordeal at D-Bar-A Scout Ranch.
Last Updated: May 27, 2009

When are the Lodge Ordeal weekends?
The Lodge Ordeal weekends are generally held in late April, early June and September. The exact dates are listed in the Council calendar each year and on the Migisi Opawgan website calendar.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

Can I take my Ordeal at summer camp?
No.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

My troop is going out of council for summer camp this year. Can I take my ordeal there?
No. The Ordeal must be completed within the Lodge in which you were elected.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

How will I be notified about the Ordeal?
Notification will occur one of two ways. Depending on your Chapter and unit, your notification materials may be given to you at the time of your call-out (identified as a candidate to the O-A) or you will receive a mailing from the Chapter, usually within two to four weeks, detailing the dates of the O-A weekends, what to bring and other information. There will also be a registration form which must be filled out and returned by the specified deadline(s).
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

Is there a fee for the Ordeal?
Yes. Refer to our current candidate registration form for the event price; which includes all your food, accommodations, annual Lodge dues, OA Ordeal sash, OA handbook, and Lodge pocket flap.
Last Updated: May 27, 2009

How long do I have after the election to take my ordeal?
You have one year from the date of your election to take your Ordeal. This affords every person at least three opportunities to complete their Ordeal.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

What if I fail to take my Ordeal within that one-year period?
Then you would have to be reelected. In extreme cases such as family emergencies, the Lodge Executive Committee will consider granting an extension of the Ordeal eligibility period. However, each case is considered separately on its own merits and must be brought to the Executive Committee preferably by the Chapter Chief. For more information, contact your Chapter Adviser or the Lodge Adviser.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

Do adult nominees have to take the Ordeal also?
Yes. Adults have to successfully pass the same ordeal as the youth in order to become members.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

Do adults have the same one-year eligibility?
Yes. Adults have one year from the date of their letter of approval from the Lodge Adviser.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

Election was held in our troop, but the results were not announced, what happens next?
The scoutmaster has the right to seal the election results for release at some later date, such as a troop court of honor or campout call-out ceremony. The year of eligibility starts when the candidate is officially recognized by his unit.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

General

What is the Order of the Arrow?
Sometime referred to as the O-A, the Order of the Arrow is Scouting's National Honor Society. It is a brotherhood of honored scouts and scouters who promote scouting, camping and perform service to others.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

What's a Lodge?
Nearly every Scout Council in the nation has an O-A Lodge associated with it. In the Detroit Area Council, the O-A Lodge is Migisi Opawgan - pronounced by syllable as Mi-Gi-Si O-Paw-Gan. Our Lodge was founded in 1939 and our Lodge number is 162.

Additionally, our Lodge has five Chapters that cover one or more Districts within the Detroit Area Council. Our Chapters are Achowalagen (Motor City Districts); Lowanue Kuwe (Northridge and North Trails Districts); Mahican (Huron and Three River Districts); Wapaneu (Michigami and Lakeshore Districts); and, Wsigau (Sunset District).
Last Updated: May 27, 2009

Who runs the Lodge and Chapters?
The Lodge is run by an executive committee, at the head of which sits the Lodge Chief, Executive Vice-Chief, Vice-Chief of Activities, Secretary and Treasurer. These people are considered the Lodge Officers. The Lodge also has established a number of operating committees headed by a committee chairman. Similarly, each Chapter has a Chapter Chief. The Chapter Chiefs, Chapter Executive Vice-Chiefs, Lodge Officers, and operating committee chairmen comprise the voting members of the Lodge Executive Committee. All voting members, that is, all the Lodge Officers, Chairmen, and Chapter Chiefs are youth members, under the age of 21. No O-A member age 21 or older may serve as an officer, chairman or chief. Lodge and Chapter officers are elected by the youth membership.
The Council appoints a Lodge Adviser to guide the executive committee and help facilitate their goals and objectives. The Lodge Adviser appoints a Chapter Adviser. The Lodge Adviser appoints a Committee Adviser for each operating committee Chairman, and any other Advisers that may be necessary. The Council also assigns a Staff Adviser to the Lodge. Although members of the Lodge Executive Committee, the Advisers are not voting members.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

Where does the Lodge Executive Committee meet?
The Lodge Executive Committee meets the third Wednesday of each month from August through June at the First United Methodist Church of Dearborn, MI, 22124 Garrison Street. Meetings begin at 7:30 PM. All O-A members are invited to attend, but meeting attendance is restricted to O-A members only. While members are invited to attend, please remember only Executive Committee members may vote.

Monthly Chapter meetings are held on a date that avoids conflict with the Lodge meeting. Please refer to the Migisi Opawgan website Chapter calendars for specific meeting dates, time, and locations.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

How can I obtain Migisi Opawgan lodge flaps, OA sashes or other OA items?
Lodge flaps and sashes, as well as other OA and lodge merchandise, are available at lodge events throughout the year such as Winter Fellowship, Lincoln Pilgrimage, Spring, Summer and Fall Conclaves, Fall Fellowship, and the lodge annual dinner banquet. If you need something between these meetings, please email us.
Last Updated: June 18, 2005

What is a "Section"?
A section typically consists of between 5 and 10 lodges and is led by a Section Chief, who is advised by a Section Adviser and Section Staff Adviser. We are in Section C2A (Central Region, Area 2, Section A). The other lodges in our section are Chippewa (Clinton Valley Council), Chickagami (Blue Water Council), Cuwe (Tall Pine Council), Tindeuchen (Erie Shores Council), and Manitous (Great Sauk Trail Council). The Section Conclave is conducted in the spring of each year. Its a great deal of fun, so you should plan to attend next year.
Last Updated: May 27, 2009

What is a Region?
The Central Region consists of 12 sections throughout the mid-west (13 states). The leadership for the region consists of the youth leader, the Region Chief, who is advised by the Region Chairman and the Region Staff Adviser. The Region Chief is a national officer in the Order of the Arrow and is elected by the Section Chiefs of the region at the National OA Planning Meeting every December. There are four regions in the national OA organization.
The Region is responsible for several things, and its most notable events are the National Leadership Seminars and National Lodge Adviser Training Seminars.
Last Updated: October 5, 2005

Dues

Are there yearly dues?
Yes. Dues effective January 1, 2006 are $12.00 annually. The Lodge year runs from January 1 though December 31. Dues are payable starting October 1st for the coming year.
Last Updated: October 16, 2005

Do new Ordeal members have to pay dues?
The Ordeal fee includes current year of dues for those going through an Ordeal in the first half the year - either the Spring or Summer Ordeal. Anyone participating the Fall Ordeal event will have their dues automatically paid for the following full year.
Last Updated: May 27, 2009

What do dues cover?
To be considered an active member of the Lodge, your dues must be paid. Nearly 50% of a person's lodge dues is for national OA registration as well as for Chapter annual operating budget. The remaining amount is for communications (e.g. four annual issues of the "Eagle Pipe" newsletter) and events and activities within the lodge, such as OA University and Lodge Leadership Development training. Special recognitions and scholarship fund are derived from annual lodge dues.
Last Updated: November 25, 2005

Where do I send the dues form?
Our lodge sends each person an invoice for their annual dues and there will be instructions on the form. Dues are to be mailed to the O-A, c/o the Dauch Scout Service Center 1776 West Warren Avenue, Detroit, MI 48208. Dues can also be paid in person at the Dauch Scout Service Center. Chapters also may accept dues, for the Lodge, at chapter meetings.
Last Updated: November 25, 2005

Once I pay my dues, will I get a membership card?
Membership cards are available from the membership committee and are usually mailed with the Eagle Pipe (the Lodge newsletter). The membership cards are also available at Ordeal weekends. If you are registered in the Detroit Area Council as a Scout or Scouter, you can (and must) transfer your Lodge membership to Migisi Opawgan Lodge. On the dues form you will note the Council and Lodge in which you were inducted and we will contact your prior Council for your O-A records.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

I am moving out of the Council, is my O-A membership transferable?
Certainly. When you get where you arere going, have your new Council formally request your O-A records from us. Once you register in a new Council, you will officially be a member of their lodge.
Last Updated: November 25, 2005

Can I be a member of more than one Lodge?
No! National policy dictates that you can only belong to one lodge at a time. It must be the lodge associated with the Council where you hold your primary registration. Even if you pay a registration fee to more than one council, you must choose only one lodge.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

I am not registered in the Council; can I join Migisi Opawgan Lodge?
No. National policy dictates that you must be registered in the Council in which you wish to hold O-A membership.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

Do my O-A dues include BSA registration?
No. O-A membership is exclusive of membership in the Boy Scouts of America.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

Do I have to be registered in the BSA to be member of the Lodge?
Yes. You must be registered in a Pack, Troop, Crew, Team, or at-large in order to be considered an active member of the Lodge and participate in Lodge events. O-A membership does not supersede or include BSA membership.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

Where can I purchase Lodge Flaps and O-A supplies?
Lodge Flaps, O-A sashes, and Lodge merchandise can be purchased at each Executive Committee meeting and Lodge Function.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

Where do I get more information?
Contact the Lodge Chief, Lodge Adviser or your Chapter Adviser for more information. By visiting the Migisi Opawgan website, you can use Migisi eMail to send messages to them.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

I've heard you could become a lifetime member with a one-time dues payment. Is that true? How much is it?
The short answer is no. The slightly longer answer is that National Policy requires that each member belong to only one Lodge and lifetime memberships interfere with that. They were banned years ago. Migisi Opawgan has never offered life memberships.
Last Updated: August 20, 2004

Unit Elections

How does one become a member of the O-A?
The O-A has different procedures for youth and adults. Youth members (under the age of 21) are elected by other youth members of their troop in an election conducted by the O-A Lodge through the Chapters. At least 50 % of the registered youth members of the troop must be present for an election to be held. Each youth member of the troop has one vote for each youth eligible for election. They may vote for none, one or as many eligible youth that are on the ballot. The eligible youth must receive a vote from more than half of the voting members - e.g. if 15 youth vote, to be selected an eligible youth must receive eight votes.
Adults are nominated by the troop committee and the nomination is forwarded to a Lodge Adult nomination committee headed by the Lodge Adviser for consideration.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

What's an O-A Election?
The O-A has different procedures for youth and adults. Youth members (under the age of 21) are elected by other youth members of their troop in an election conducted by the O-A Lodge through the Chapters. At least 50 % of the registered youth members of the troop must be present for an election to be held. Each youth member of the troop has one vote for each youth eligible for election. They may vote for none, one or as many eligible youth that are on the ballot. The eligible youth must receive a vote from more than half of the voting members - e.g. if 15 youth vote, to be selected an eligible youth must receive eight votes.
Adults are nominated by the troop committee and the nomination is forwarded to a Lodge Adult nomination committee headed by the Lodge Adviser for consideration.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

Are there any membership requirements?
Yes. To be considered for election, a youth must be a registered member of his unit, must have achieved the rank of First Class, must not have reached his 21st birthday, and must, while registered with a troop or team, have a minimum of 15 days and nights of scout camping experience, including one (and only one) long term camping experience (6 days / 5 nights) within two years prior to the election. With the exception of the first class and age requirement, adult nominees must meet the same camping and membership requirements.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

Is there any limit to the number of youth who are placed on the ballot for election?
Provided they all meet the eligibility requirements, no.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

Does the Scoutmaster have to list all youth who are eligible?
No. The scoutmaster must sign the election form certifying that all those on the ballot are eligible for election. If the scoutmaster feels that a certain member or members of the unit do not exemplify the high ideals of the O-A, he does not have to list them as eligible for election even though they may meet the membership requirements. The scoutmaster has full discretion as to the eligibility of any troop member for the election, but he may not waive the membership requirements. This certification takes place prior to the election, and cannot be changed once the election takes place.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

Can the Scoutmaster vote in the election?
No. No one over the age of 20 may cast a vote in the election.
Last Updated: May 27, 2009

How many elections can my troop have per year?
One. Each troop is entitled to only one election per year. The Lodge calendar runs from January 1 through December 31. Each troop may have only one election during that time period.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

When can this election take place?
The election can be done anytime during the year; however, most unit elections occur in the fall and spring of the year in advance of our Ordeal induction weekends at one of our Council camps. Scout units are encouraged to schedule a recurring annual date for planning purposes.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

How do I arrange for an election?
In the fall of each year, Chapter election teams will start contacting each scoutmaster in their Districts to set up elections. If your troop has not been contacted each year by January 1st, you are encouraged to contact your Chapter Adviser or the Lodge Adviser for action.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

Can a Scoutmaster conduct his own election?
NO! All elections must be conducted with at least one member of the Chapter or Lodge election team present, preferably a member from outside the troop.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

How do I nominate an adult for membership?
Adult nomination forms are available from the election team or your Chapter Adviser. They must be filled out accurately and completely, and signed by the Committee Chairman. The committee chairman should retain one copy of the form with the remaining copy and original forwarded to the Chapter Adviser. The Chapter Adviser will forward the original on to the Lodge Adviser for consideration.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

How many adults may I nominate?
Each troop who has a youth election may nominate only one adult per 50 in the unit (0-50, 1 adult; 51-100, 2 adults; 101-150, 3 adults, etc.).
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

What if my troop does not have an election; can I still nominate an adult?
No.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

How are adult nominations considered?
The adult nomination process is very selective. Since the O-A exists by and large for the youth, with the youth only, serving in the leadership positions, adult nominations are carefully screened. The committee considers the adults ability to perform the necessary functions to help the O-A fulfill its goals and purposes, how the adult will be an asset to the Lodge and whether the adult will be a positive role model to the youth. O-A membership is NOT a recognition for service either past or present NOR a reward for achievement or position.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

Once the adult nomination form is submitted, what happens then?
Within two to four weeks of receipt, the Adult Nomination Committee, through the Lodge Adviser, will generally respond in one of three ways. If approved, the nominee will receive a letter noting such. If additional information is needed, the nominator (unit committee chairman) will receive a letter requesting the additional information. If denied, the nominator will receive a letter noting such and the reasons why.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

Can my Venture Crew, Varsity Team or Explorer Post have an election?
O-A elections can only be held by Scout Troops and Varsity Teams. Elections cannot be held by Venture Crews or Explorer Posts.
Last Updated: March 30, 2004

Is there a way to electronically request a unit election?
You bet! In the left toolbar of our website, select "Unit Election." The resulting page is an electronic form you complete with details on your request for a unit election. The request is disbursed to multiple lodge members for follow-up and confirmation.
Last Updated: November 25, 2005

Do adults need to become Brotherhood members?
All Ordeal members are encouraged to seal their membership in the OA as a Brotherhood member. This can only be done after 10 months of service in the OA. It is especially important for adult Ordeal members to seal their membership for two primary reasons: 1) you demonstrate by action your commitment to the OA national honor society; and, 2) the lodge is dependent upon Ordeal members converting to Brotherhood in order to achieve the annual Quality Lodge recognition.
Last Updated: November 25, 2005

Can a unit election be done at an out-of-council camp or event?
No.
Last Updated: April 3, 2006

Can I arrange for my unit election to take place at summer camp?
Beginning with the 2009 season, Migisi Opawgan Lodge has decided not to conduct elections during summer camp at D-bar-A Scout Ranch or Cole Canoe Base.
Last Updated: October 18, 2008

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